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October 17, 2018

“And most importantly, why?”: Ted Bundy’s Last Lie

Patrolman David Lee with the Pensacola Police Department was conducting his routine patrol in the early morning hours of February 15, 1978, when he just happened to cross paths with Theodore Bundy when he stopped him for a traffic violation. After a slight scuffle in which Bundy tried to flee, Lee managed to handcuff and secure him inside his vehicle. Bundy was quiet for most of the ride, and he knew his criminal adventures were finally over.1 After two successful escapes from jail, there was not going to be an opportunity for another.2

“I wish you had killed me.” He told Lee from the back of the car. “Would you kill me if I tried to run?”3

Before Bundy’s killing spree began, he attended the University of Washington, where he obtained a Bachelors degree and two years of law school.4 Based on the knowledge he gained in law school, Bundy insisted on being directly involved in conducting his defense in each of his trials, which is where his legal downward spiral began. During his sentencing trial, he attempted to connect with his jury and humanize himself by using carefully chosen Bible scripture. He wanted his largely southern jury to see him as comparable to Christ.  He assured them that he was no Christ figure, but he urged them to remember how Christ had experienced an unjust trial and was subsequently executed on the basis of that unjust trial.5

Ted Bundy at Trial, 1979 | Courtesy of AP Images

As his final trial started to come to its inevitable end, Bundy did everything he could to postpone his execution date. He had multiple interviews with several different individuals; in each interview he would reveal something about himself that he would use to charm or manipulate his audience. One of these interviews led to an examination of evidence to see if Bundy was incompetent at the time of trial, which postponed his sentencing hearing. When a reporter questioned Bundy in an attempt to get him to admit to the thirty suspected murders, Bundy replied, “Put a zero after that.”6 Though we will never be certain on an exact number of murders that Bundy committed, it is without a doubt higher than the thirty that he officially confessed to.

ed Bundy at Leon County jail, Tallahassee, Florida, 1978. | Courtesy of AP Images

Finally, on January 17, 1989, Bundy’s fourth and final death warrant was signed.7 It was at this point that he started confessing to multiple murders in an attempt to stave off his execution. After having been able to squeeze his way out of nearly every other situation he had managed to entangle himself in, he finally started to realize the inescapable reality, and the mask that he put on to keep the world from seeing him for what he really was, started to slip. He immediately began to look for his way out, trying to tug at the heartstrings of anyone who would listen. His last card to play was his interview with James Dobson.8

Ted Bundy at Trial, 1979 | Courtesy of AP Images

Dr. James Dobson is the founder of Focus on the Family, a Christian organization based in Colorado.9 At the time of Bundy’s interview, Dr. Dobson’s campaign was that pornography and violence were interrelated, and since Bundy was looking for a way to keep people talking about him, they were a match made in heaven. Throughout the interview, Dr. Dobson and Bundy were able to craft an entirely new story that thousands of people would believe. Bundy was able to portray himself as being corrupted by pornography from a young age, that pornography is what caused his violent behavior. Dr. Dobson had his perfect poster child. There was a question in the middle of the interview in which Dr. Dobson questioned Bundy about the murder of Kimberly Leach, and Bundy stated that he couldn’t talk about it.

“One of the final murders that you committed, … little Kimberly Leach, 12 years of age. I think the public outcry was greater there because an innocent child was taken from a playground. What did you feel after that? Was there normal emotions three days later? Where were you, Ted?” asked Dr. Dobson.

Kimberly Diane Leach, 1978 | Courtesy of AP Images

“I can’t really talk about that,” said Ted Bundy.

“That’s too painful,” Dr. Dobson interjected.

“I would like to be able to convey what that experience is like, but I can’t be able to talk about it,” said Ted Bundy.

“OK,” said Dr. Dobson.10

At this point, the camera caught Bundy’s quick glance at Dr. Dobson, clearly reading and carefully considering his next words. It was at this moment that Bundy’s eyes looked up at Dr. Dobson and in those few seconds his mask slipped, revealing the heartless murderer making his cold calculations on what his next move would be. The facade of the repented sinner that was corrupted by pornography that Bundy had been attempting to convey to us crumbled to reveal the truth, a psychopathic killer.

Ted Bundy in the interview with James Dobson, 1989 | Courtesy of AP Images

Throughout the entire forty-minute interview, he carefully chose his words in order to most effectively charm whatever audience he could manage to get his words to. This interview is where we get one of his most infamous quotes:

“And people need to recognize it’s not some kind of . . . those of us who are or who have been so much influenced by violence in the media, in particular, pornographic violence, are not some kind of inherent monsters. We are your sons and we are your husbands, and we grew up in regular families. And pornography can reach out and snatch a kid out of any house today. It snatched me out of my home 20, 30 years ago, and as dedicated as my parents were, and they were diligent in protecting their children and as good a Christian home as we had, and we had a wonderful Christian home, there is no protection against the kind of influences that are loose in society that tolerates. . . .”11

Ann Rule, a former co-worker and friend of Bundy, immediately recognized the interview for what it was: a final attempt to save himself, to blame someone other than himself for what he did.

“Dr. Dobson wanted someone to testify against booze and pornography, and Ted wanted to leave us all talking about him. He wanted to blame someone else for his crimes, and by saying it was us who left all those bad magazines on the racks, he became innocent in his own mind.”12

Outside of Florida State Prison, 1989 | Courtesy of AP Images

On January 24, 1989, Theodore Bundy died in the electric chair. As the white flag signaling his death was waved from the prison yard, cheers could be heard from the crowd gathered across the street. The chant “Burn, Bundy, burn!” paired with the banging of frying pans rang out in the early morning air.13

Dr. Dobson did not release the interview until after Bundy was executed. In a way, both of these men achieved their goal. Dr. Dobson had a real-life example of the dangers that pornography can have on a perfectly “normal human.” Bundy was able to keep people talking about him, his horrific murders, and what possible factors led him to commit those crimes. Several women viewed Dr. Dobson’s interview with Bundy and saw the compassion and remorse that Bundy was attempting to portray, while others were able to see through his last lie.14 Bundy went down in history for being one of the most cold blooded killers who will continue to be discussed for generations.

Though many people still protest Bundy’s execution, there is one thing we can all agree on: “He had an easier death than any of his victims.” 13

  1. George R. Dekle, The Last Murder: The Investigation, Prosecution, and Execution of Ted Bundy: The Investigation, Prosecution, and Execution of Ted Bundy (Santa Barbara, California: Praeger, 2011), 16.
  2. Kristen Iversen, “When Death Came to Golden,” American Scholar 87, no. 2. (2018): 82.
  3. George R. Dekle, The Last Murder: The Investigation, Prosecution, and Execution of Ted Bundy: The Investigation, Prosecution, and Execution of Ted Bundy (Santa Barbara, California: Praeger, 2011), 16.
  4. George R. Dekle, The Last Murder: The Investigation, Prosecution, and Execution of Ted Bundy: The Investigation, Prosecution, and Execution of Ted Bundy (Santa Barbara, California: Praeger, 2011), 22.
  5. George R. Dekle, The Last Murder: The Investigation, Prosecution, and Execution of Ted Bundy: The Investigation, Prosecution, and Execution of Ted Bundy (Santa Barbara, California: Praeger, 2011), 212.
  6. George R. Dekle, The Last Murder: The Investigation, Prosecution, and Execution of Ted Bundy: The Investigation, Prosecution, and Execution of Ted Bundy (Santa Barbara, California: Praeger, 2011), 219.
  7. George R. Dekle, The Last Murder: The Investigation, Prosecution, and Execution of Ted Bundy: The Investigation, Prosecution, and Execution of Ted Bundy (Santa Barbara, California: Praeger, 2011), 218.
  8. Kristen Iversen, “When Death Came to Golden,” American Scholar 87, no. 2. (2018): 88.
  9. Dr. James Dobson Steps Down as Focus on the Family Chairman (Colorado Springs, Colorado:  Focus on the Family. February 27, 2009), https://www.focusonthefamily.com/about/newsroom/news-releases/20090227-dobson-steps-down-as-focus-chairman.
  10. The Associated Press,”Bundy’s Last Interview; ‘I take full responsibility,'” The Palm Beach Post, January 29, 1989, 7-8.
  11. The Associated Press,”Bundy’s Last Interview; ‘I take full responsibility,'” The Palm Beach Post, January 29, 1989, 7-8.
  12. LAST BUNDY INTERVIEW CALLED `CON GAME,’ Salt Lake City, Utah: Deseret News. September 12, 1989.
  13. Barry Bearak, “Bundy Electrocuted After Night of Weeping, Praying : 500 Cheer Death of Murderer,” Los Angeles Times, 24 Jan. 1989.
  14. LAST BUNDY INTERVIEW CALLED `CON GAME,’ Salt Lake City, Utah: Deseret News. September 12, 1989.
  15. Barry Bearak, “Bundy Electrocuted After Night of Weeping, Praying : 500 Cheer Death of Murderer,” Los Angeles Times, 24 Jan. 1989.

Recent Comments

125 comments

  • Robert Rees

    It’s always interesting and unsettling to read about serial killers that are as conniving and calculating as Ted Bundy was. The fact that Bundy was able to find someone such as Dr. Dobson that was willing to help him is even more unsettling. This article does an excellent job of detailing Bundy last desperate attempts at avoiding execution, and does so in a brief and concise manner.

  • Robert Ruiz

    There are many interesting things about Ted Bundy. It’s ironic that Ted Bundy was arrested for a traffic violation, but eventually even though he was smart and careful, was going to get caught anyway. Bundy was so witty, and had a lot of people to believe his story. I didn’t have great insight on Ted Bundy nor knew much about the trial or story, but this article explained everything well. I do like the images used as it gave a good framework to tell the story from.

  • Gabriel Dossey

    I like this article. I am fascinated by those who can take a life so freely. How could someone so easily take someone’s life, arguably the most precious thing. I am not sure if you wrote this simply to tell the story or to also defend porn from being condemned as a reason for violence. Any how. It was a fun read. I enjoyed it. Keep it up and good luck.

  • Stephanie Nava

    Ted Bundy was a cold-blooded, heartless, conniving murderer. I do not know if it was a joke, but saying you killed 300 people as a joke when you are accused of murdering 30 is disgusting and not funny at all. I knew he targeted girls, but I did not know that they were girls as young as 12 years old. Ted Bundy is proof that just because someone is attractive or charming, does not mean that they are good people, because those people can turn out to be the worst. He lied so much it is hard to believe what the truth actually is.

  • I had heard that he was a calculating and brutal killer, but beyond that I was not aware of how conniving he could be. Your article piqued my curiosity and I went out in search of additional information on this subject and it is truly chilling and fascinating that this man could play people so well or at least made serious attempts to. I wonder if Dobson ever was told or came to conclusion that he was being played by Bundy. It is difficult to fathom how a human being could be capable of such violent acts.

  • Montserrat Moreno Ramirez

    I remember reading this article earlier on the semester. And as a mentioned before, i have a thing for this type o articles since they are just so interesting to read and to know what moves this killers to murder people and later on move on with l¡their lives like nothing happened. Also it is crazy to think to what lengths are they willing to go to fulfill their crazy drams and needs.

    Congratulations, hope you win this award!

  • Cooper Dubrule

    Congratulations on being nominated for an award! This article was very interesting and i enjoyed the way it showed how Ted Bundy gained attention for the way he went about escaping justice. The way this article expanded on who Ted Bundy was really captivating to me. This article was one of my favorite crime articles because of how vast the information provided was.

  • Lorenzo Rivera

    First of all, congratulations on being nominated for an award this semester. This article was both very well written, and extremely informative. You did a fantastic job of captivating the reader and clearly explaining the topic at hand, and it is clear that your research on Ted Bundy truly aided your development of this article. It was a really great read, and very enjoyable overall. Good luck!

  • Bruno Montes de Oca

    The first thing that pops into my head when I think of Ted Bundy is Narcissism. Now, he really tried his hardest to live as long as possible by pulling legal comments out of thin air that lead to more investigations. However that last interview with Dr. Dobson, pure Narcissism. His main thought he had before he died was that he just wanted people to talk about him. If thats not the mind of a dangerous man I don’t know what is. I think it is also shameful that Dr. Dobson even considered using him as a “poster boy” for his ideas. Doesn’t matter how charming Ted Bunny could be, he was the worst of the worst.

  • Nathalie Herrera

    Congratulations on your nomination! This article provided a thorough analysis along with captivating pictures. I was not fully aware of the gruesome crimes Ted Bundy conducted before, and the motivation behind it all, yet, the story of where this all began comes as a shock the story. Bundy shown no real remorse from the murderers he conducted which is most chilling. Overall, really great and interesting read!

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